The Letters of H. P. Blavatsky to A. P. Sinnett
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Letter No. 119

{Wurzburg, Oct. 3}



I believe you are angry with me for my "dismay"? Well, I could not help it. There was Bowajee and Hubbe Schleiden too, who had just talked about the "materialistic" views you took of the whole thing. Now I know, that as far as the physical evolution of the planets goes — you are quite right and it is not your fault if you were not told more. Anyhow it is not my belief that it is "materialistic" — and why we should be compelled to poetise truth and facts is more than I can tell.

I do not say the new theory or vista "conflicts" with your impression; for to this day I am in the dark about that "impression." I talk so unintelligibly, so confusedly, I make generally such a mess of what I say, that no wonder I thought you had entirely misunderstood me, and thus sought to repair my guilt by making amende honorable. But why should you have felt displeased when writing your letter? For I felt it in my bones as soon as I began reading it?

Well you say you got that "impression" while reading some matter among the Secret Doctrine (in Dharbagiri's writing). I looked over carefully page by page and found nothing in D. N.'s writing, but in Damodar's which you probably mistook. It is about what the Earth (and other planets) does during "obscuration"? Is it this? For if so, then I can tell you that Damodar wrote it under dictation -- but you have not understood the meaning quite correctly. It does refer to the "worlds" I speak of and says (restoring it in us full sense) the following: —

"It (the planet) cannot be resting for such a length of time. The fact is, that after our exit from here, the Planet gets ready to receive another group of Humanity coming after us. On the Planetary chain there are seven groups of Humanity simultaneously evolving; each Planet receiving another group, after one has passed away to the next Planet. These seven are distinct groups and do not intermingle with each other." (But some of them do with its or our planet, as I shall show). Then, he goes on talking of natural and artificial Fifth Rounders. Is it this? I take it to be what you found among my papers and as there is nothing else so I shall talk on this.

No your theory does not conflict so far, with facts; but then they must be shown to you in their correct position, not in a fanciful one like Mohini's theory of Rings and Rounds. The conversation you had with me referred in my mind only to the surplus of Humanity or of the "family" left over when partial obscuration came, not to the nature of that family. I shall try to explain as well as I can. By the bye. Dharbagiri says that he never meant anything but the 14 Brahma lokas.

These are worlds — to their respective inhabitants as much solid and real as our own is to us. Each of these, nevertheless, has its own nature, laws, senses — which are not our nature, laws or senses. They are not in space and time for us — as we are not in space or time — for them, as the 3-dimens. world suspects the 4-dimensional, so the latter suspects the existence of our lower world. But this 3 and 4 dimens. calculation must not lead you into the belief that Zollner's theory applies to Mahar, that "world" which is next to ours, higher than ours, in ours (for of a different nature). In the corrections I have sent to Mohini I have given him correct notes on the same. Read them please and you shall understand the thing better. It made MASTER always laugh when he heard the "knots" made on a sealed rope or the passage of matter through matter referred to as the result of the action of a "4 dimens. space," when "dimension" has nothing to do with it, and that such dimension is a faculty of our matter — as the physicists and chemists know it, and not anything pertaining to one of the "Worlds." [The 4th dimension is developing now because we are in the 4th Round and by correspondence the 5th, 6th and 7th are to a degree latent in our Round.] These are not "other families on the other planets of our chain" and have no relation "with the intervening interplanetary periods." You are wrong there. As I said each of the 7 planets of our chain has a dual septenary circle of rings; but not an objective circle as in Saturn, for in Saturn things and Nature are again different and it is again a side-issue. The 14 Brahma-lokas are 7 worlds within ours Spiral-1so — and 7 within ours Spiral-2in this way. Now where are the words for me to explain you this? Of course if there was anything in those "worlds" approaching to the constitution of our globe it would be an utter fallacy, an absurdity to say that they are within our world and within each other (as they are) and that yet, they "do not intermingle together." For it would amount to saying that a physical man can be sitting within himself and dangling unperceived his own legs out of his nose, and yet I have to state, once I am allowed to speak on the subject, that although these worlds are of course in different spiritual states they are also in different physical states, but withal as physical as our own in the conceptions of their inhabitants. For what is a dimension of space? Such a dimension exists only in our conceptions. We understand space as of three dimensions, because so far the fourth is asserting itself only occasionally, abnormally. But it does not stand to reason that because we speak and think of it that 3 dimensional stretch or space should be present or existing per se in things that surround us. It simply means that space independent of the inner or spiritual eye of the thinking being — is nothing. The conception of 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 dimensional spaces depends on the spiritual, not alone the physical or intellectual organisation of man. When I say exists I mean existence in the sense we of the earth understand the term. These dimensions are like Nirvana. They are, they do not "exist." Take a being from our 3 dimens. and one from a 4 dimens. space world. Both are organised, both physical in a way (i.e. from the standpoint of the respective state of their "matter" or substance). Of course to these two utterly differently organised beings, things cannot seem alike and that their conceptions of them, their representations of the same and one thing shall be different. But this difference is not based or depend upon, or result from the fact that the said thing, or objects change or really modify in their nature, because one is in a 3rd and the other in a 4th dimens. world; but it is caused by the opposite natures of the spiritual prisma through which those two beings are viewing the manifestations in their respective worlds. There is no merging possible of one thing into another when no such thing exists for "merging." To be an occultist one has to reject in a way both the materialistic and the spiritualistic views on nature. The Modern Neo-Kantianism (a posteriori) is as objectionable as the modern a priori anti-materialism to the sight of the true occultist — if you understand my meaning. And from this point of view (the occult) the full rejection of Materialism would lead necessarily to the full rejection of Spiritualism which is not the case. You and Mohini are two opposite poles — unapproachable to each other unless you meet on the strictly occult line, or rather on the lines of occultism. These words I am forced to repeat to you — understand this as you will. He soars in a 5 dimens. space which in our 3 dimens. world amounts to 2 + 2 = 5, and a broken umbrella in the bargain; and you remain steadily on the 3 dimens. sphere seeking to force the higher dimensions to slip down and fit themselves in, into your 3 dimens. sphere instead of raising yourself to their level.

With this double "Compt." I proceed. But this word "dimension" is infernally misleading. But what to do! The seven, or rather 14 worlds, the upper seven spiritualising gradually from matter one within another, and the other group spiritualising as gradually into matter — are said to be evoluting simultaneously because they do; but as the Satya is the first to begin and then follows Tapas, and after it Janas, etc. etc. and that our world is "Mahar-Rasatala" in its esoteric name, the result is that you shall have to make an arithmetical progression for I be blessed if I can. I am strong enough on occult Metageometry and Metaphysics but no hand at arithmetics knowing nothing of its four rules but by name.

Suppose Mahar Rasatala stands thus, the points of departure being marked in red and blue:

Mahar Rasatala

At the same time though Satya is the first to start with Atala = Humanity in the 1st Round, all the others start during that same Round — Satya with Atala (1st sub-race) Tapas = Vitala (2nd sub-r.) and so on till Bhur-Patala -- the 7th s.r. But in subraces they are gradually developing from 1st to 7th degree of a 49th part — and in Rounds from 1st to 7th degree, of the Seventh of the whole.

Spiral of involution and evolution

Red [Red is represented by the black line and blue by the dotted line. — Ed.] is matter, or the nether 7 worlds. Matter evolutes from without within.

Blue is spirit or the "upper" worlds. Spirit evolutes from within without.

This double evolution represents our Humanity and world and the six simultaneous with it, the material; and our Humanity and world with the six simultaneous spiritual ones — or the upper worlds.

Now suppose that in this double septenary evolution, each world of the 12 — extra being a figure of speech for us, and we being just such an abstraction for each of them individually and collectively, and that in the evolution through seven planets and seven Rounds, two out of the 14 must be always intermingled, so to say, within each other progressing towards spirit or "Brahma's Egg" — and retrograding towards Matter also. Brahma's Egg — both in their ultimate spirituality at the beginning and at the end (i.e.) on planet "A" — 1st Round, and planet "Z" — 7th Round.

In this double progression our World -- the only one we can judge by objectivity is no one distinct world, but a compound of two on each planet from which radiate the others from which our world or Earth radiated in her turn. Thus in the 1st Round on planet A, Humanity partakes of Satya and Atala; in the IInd Round — on Planet B it is Tapas-Vitala; IIIrd -- Janas-Sutala — IVth Mahar Rasatala, etc. and on the progression of gradations in Races and sub-races it reflects according to ascent and descent, the qualities and attributes physical and spiritual of all and of each of those individually. Now our Round is Mahar Rasatala, and our Race is Swar-Sutala, because the 5th. To us, in our conceptions it is only a reflection of qualities on the spiritual plane, and a reflection of attributes on the material or physical — a colouring upon us or the development in us of extra-senses, perceptions and so on. But in fact in the world of Reality of the (One Reality) it is quite different. We are a Maya in one sense all of us; but we are realities in our own sight, in space and time and so long as it lasts on our plane. The Mahatma would not speak of them for it seemed a hopeless task to mention these when no one could hardly take in simple rings and rounds. These words do not inherit our earth, but as the Satya Atala has 6 starts on the Bhur-Patala, which develops or starts only in the 7th Race — there seems to exist among adepts some calculation (of which I know nothing) that together with the cream of the humanity of each Round and race (since the IVth Round, for it was no developed Humanity to speak of on the preceding 3 rounds) together with the Sishta — the 7 Rishis and 1 warrior, remain those who are in the tail. Otherwise it would not help us out of the Obscuration and 5th Rounders difficulty.

So you see the sentient beings of those locas are not "transferable" but in each Round two of them — one spiritual and one material are interblended with us. Now in this Round for inst. they take from us what they gave us previously — our five senses and our dimensions, and begin reflecting on us their senses and dimensions but they have plus — their own, which throw back for them ours, and are the causes of the phenomenal occurrences on our globe and among us, always more and more as we progress onward. They are neither Heavens nor Hells, for the states of these are again a different thing.

As the Vedanta says truly Vaisvanara or the spirit of Humanity, (Viraj) is no better than the conceit that it is (Vaisvanara) or the whole of Humanity.


I am not myself very steady upon those things and liable to mix up things and produce mistakes. But Master said to me that if "nothing happened out of the way" (?) He would help and the Mahatma also, as They are often here now for the Secret Doctrine. And now good-bye.

Oh, say please to Mrs. S. I forgot to mention it in my letter — if Master wrote anything, as I understand, then it shows only that He cares no more for what I have to suffer than for the miseries of a flea, and why should He? What business or pleasure has He got in it?

But He did promise me not to do so — at any rate, not so that I would be concerned with such writings — Well, what can I say!

Yours ever,

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